Informative
Mar08
on 2019-03-08
at 17:01
Is there a key to this somewhere?
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Gary
Uh, let’s see. “L” for lesbian, like Rocky. “G” for gay, like Carly. “B” for bi, that’s Jaz.
Alejandro
All good kids.
I think “T” for “trans” or transexual comes next. Does that cover Carly, too?
Gary
I think “trans” refers to people leaning toward another gender. Carly just likes how he looks in a skirt.
Alejandro
OK. “Q?” Queer? How is that different from being lesbian or gay?
Gary
I- I have no idea.
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Kira
Hey, I have a problem with where this conversation is going.
Alejandro
I’m, sorry, Kira. You’re right. That wasn’t workplace appropriate.
Kira
Management discussing rights? Naw. I’m OK with that.
Two older, hetero men fumbling over gender spectrum terms when I’m right here to bring you up to speed? That’s the problem.
Uh, let’s see. “L” for lesbian, like Rocky. “G” for gay, like Carly. “B” for bi, that’s Jaz.
Alejandro
All good kids.
I think “T” for “trans” or transexual comes next. Does that cover Carly, too?
Gary
I think “trans” refers to people leaning toward another gender. Carly just likes how he looks in a skirt.
Alejandro
OK. “Q?” Queer? How is that different from being lesbian or gay?
Gary
I- I have no idea.
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Kira
Hey, I have a problem with where this conversation is going.
Alejandro
I’m, sorry, Kira. You’re right. That wasn’t workplace appropriate.
Kira
Management discussing rights? Naw. I’m OK with that.
Two older, hetero men fumbling over gender spectrum terms when I’m right here to bring you up to speed? That’s the problem.
Yep, cishet men trying to wend their way through non-cishet rights can be problematical.
Urban dictionary cishet: An abbreviation of cisgendered (opposite of “transgender”) heterosexual: a person that identifies as the sex they were born as and are attracted to the opposite. Mostly used in social justice circles as an ad hominem attack to people who have to audacity to be born identifying with their birth gender and have an opinion different than theirs/zheirs/xirs.
So “cishet” is considered a derogatory term?
Anything can be considered a ‘derogatory term’ if one wants to make it one
LGBT folks would say “no, it’s not derogatory”, but it still a word they made up to call people who are different from them without their permission. Take from that what you will.
Why not just call them ‘straight’, like people use to do?
Because it implies that folks who don’t have the same sexuality or interests are not straight, meaning they are crooked or bent. Kind of like how a lot of christians talk about being “good people.” They don’t have to say that folks of other colors/religions/sexuality are bad people, they just have to use a term for themselves that implies it.
So, they have to come up with a new term, to appease a different group?
Sound familiar?
Like a slippery slope with no bottom in sight, yes.
You can be straight and still trans. There has actually been some interesting thing found as a result of being able to do gender reassignment surgery. Homosexual means you are attracted to others with their same genitilia. A lot of people had mistakenly assumed that gay or lesbians who were trans would be straight after gender reassignment surgery. Surprisingly enough this did not always happen and a large number instead continued to be attracted to those who had the same genitilia. Lesbians who becam trans men ended up gay, while gays who became trans women became lesbians. Addionally the ones who were straight, stayed straight. Unfortunately, straight me sometimes have very violent reactions towards trans women while leads to high mortality rates (look up information on the Trans Day of Rememberance if you want more information on these states)
I think her problem is less them talking about it or even stumbling on the terminology and more a case of “Hey, person right here who can answer most of your questions!”
And I hear the term cishet mostly in groups of people that your average person would label “not normal” when referring to those your average person would describe as “normal”. The term is far less derogatory than some of the labels I’ve hear slapped onto LGBTQA folks.
Then again, what exactly qualifies Kira to educate anyone on sensitive behavior?
Don’t forget, we met her when she was making up lies about other people behaving in harassing ways in order to drive a wedge between friends for her own selfish benefit.
What’s a good analogy here…
Kira: “You want to know how to punch somebody in the arm without offending them or doing real injury? Ask me! I used to savagely knee people in the groin all the time! I’m an expert!”
This is just hilarious.
I could easily be wrong, but I thought Q was for Questioning. Like, someone still trying to figure out where they fit in on the rainbow.
Or they could be wrong…
Almost as if dismissing them isn’t sexists trash talk in it’s own right. Nope. Cause we all know if you’re straight, much less straight and white, makes whatever you have to say automatically irrelevant.
And notice the “frowny face” downvotes kinda proving your point.
The irony of what you say is that the term was created not to insult straight people, but to make it so that the rest of us were not automatically designated as not normal and therefore flawed by definition.
Well, on one hand it’s true that, if you want to know something about a topic, any topic, it’s easier and better to go ask someone who is involved in it. Or many someones, as many many human communities aren’t just a single blob with an uniform opinion.
That doesn’t mean you cannot build an informed opinion by yourself, but I found out that it’s always better to do a reality check and go actually listen to (or read stuff from) the people you are forming an opinion about.
OTOH, that could have been very impolite to straight up ask Kira. People don’t own you an explanation about life, the universe and everything and may not be interested right now in a discussion about some topic they may consider private. If anything, because they just had this conversation 42 times already since last Monday.
But I have this feeling Alejandro Galindo is encouraging and holding workplaces ethics were boundaries are to be mutually respected. As obviously, it’s a place where people – or at least Kira – feel confortable enough to volunteer the information.
Kira? We haven’t seen her since Rocky set her outside the front door when dumping her. That was the end of her 6 pages of fame, 7 if you count us hearing about her flashing Ace after she remembered he owns a business (and yes, I’m just guestimating the number of pages she was actually in). This really is old home week. =)
[clarksavagejr]:
Just finished an archive-dive.
[www.tmi-comic.com/comic/2007-10-26/] = Kira’s debut.
Her story-arc was 12pgs-long, but she was actually visible in only 6 of them.
(There’s more than 12pgs. in that time-span, but only 12 of them are part of THIS story-arc)
[https://www.tmi-comic.com/comic/2007-11-23/] = the story-arc’s end, but she’s mentioned again on [2007/12/17], as we segue from “Streetwalker Friendly” into “Rocky’s Makeover”.
We don’t see Kira again until after Ace is stabbed, & Kimi is invited by Luna to discover the “joys” of refried beans.
I promise not to treat you any different than anyone else if you promise not to get offended that I don’t know what label you choose to place on yourself this week.
I’m always happy to offer up an explanation of terminology to anyone willing to listen. Start mocking and I’ll stop explaining thus letting you stew in your ignorance. I find lots of open minded people this way. Some cases I’ve even gotten people to change negative opinions about groups because they know me and realize the people they “dislike” aren’t really faceless after all.
By the way, in case I haven’t made this perfectly clear. Feel free to ask me about these topics. I’m not all knowing, but I am a bisexual female who identifies as somewhat gender fluid. For this reason, I’ve made a point of looking up this kind of information, and if I don’t know the answer to a serious question, i can very likely find resources that have some answers. One key thing I’d like to say is that a lot of this is not carved in stone, we are still figuring a lit out for ourselves, and while it may sound crazy to others, it is very important that we be allowed to firm our own identitiez.
Finally, I try to read all the comments whenever I go through the archives, but I don’t have an effective way of tracking replies at this time, so a response may take time. I won’t ignore any politely phrased serious requests for information, but it may take time for me to see it.
She right, when in doubt ask an expert.
It can stand for both, actually.
I follow the old adage, when in doubt, Google.
[clarksavagejr]:
Actually, we’ve seen her 2-or-3 times after Rocky sent her packing
(plus one ‘End-Of-Year’-mention, when Miss Mercy told us that Kira was her niece),
but she was always seen somewhere in the background of this restaurant, as a staff-member.
She has also shown signs of developing a ‘crush’ on Kimi.
Some how I don’t see Kira expkaining things for tjem,. More like she will dictate for them ‘the right way” to think about these subjects.
LGBTQ+ is a very complicated topic. Mostly because it developed into an umbrella term for everything non-“standard”, especially the T, Q and + parts. There are so many niches rigth now that many people describing themselves with the same term often have conflicting understandings of what that specific term means exactly and the number of terms is also quite large already. It’s also a rather private topic and I usually leave those be unless it somehow affects me as well or the other person brings it up first, as people often get unpleasant when asked about private stuff. If one has to mingle with the subject I suggest asking the involved people directly, as the understanding one might have gotten from previous encounters with other people might not fit the current person’s view of things.
Brushing aside or calling “two older hetero men” discussing the subject problematic is BAD. Neither of them made the impression to be absolutely 100% convinced their conclusions are 100% true and so far, none of their conclusions were wrong. One does not need a lived experience to get basic understandings of a matter.
Last time I saw the alphabet soup term on a sign, it was LBGTQ2+
Two? Who’s that? People with multiple personality disorder? (Serious question; that was a new one for me).
“A” gets put in there sometimes, either as “Ally” or “Asexual” depending on who you ask.
Easier to just say “non-straight”, than try to list all the alternatives.
But some of us would rather be identified as what we are than what we aren’t.
I thought Q was for quartermaster, the guy who had the cool devises for Bond.
I am in full favour of the old guy with all the cool toys having full civil rights and freedoms, yes! ^_^
People like Kira piss the shit out of me
Maybe a minor typo, but I think there’s wrong word order in one of Gary’s bubbles, about Trans leaning toward another being gender. I think being and another should be switched around?
Also, it’s a bit problematic asking these from someone who professes being ‘in’ the crowd, as the crowd apparently has -many- varieties of ‘who belongs’, unfortunately.
[Envious]:
That was my 1st thought (“another being gender” just reads as awkward to me), then it occurred to me that this may be the Author’s way of showing that Gary is NOT an authority on this topic. This logic might also explain why [Alejandro Galindo] was stumbling over the proper sequence of initials on the previous page, or why no conversational attempt is made to distinguish between “transsexual” & “transvestite”, but just leaving the term as “trans”.
PS_TYPO-ALERT:
GARY: “Carly just like how he looks in a skirt.”
=====”likes”, not “like”, here, due to context.
If they could just work their “colonic” magic on my body, instead of on my emotions, it’d be a LOT easier for me to lose weight, lemmee tell ya — My G.I.tract would be cleaner than ANY whistle!
Don’t know for certain how it is today but Q was originally for Queer and carried more political activism connotation rather than being just about your sexuality. Basically for some people it functioned as a catch all of supporters whom might be straight allies or anywhere on the spectrum. Now I’ve seen A added in and heard that as either Asexual or Ally depending on the person using it.
[Queenie] it’s both but some people assign a second “Q” for Questioning. The acronym is getting unwieldy though, so most people don’t/
Apparently replay nesting only works for Andy…
I use the admin screen for a lot of replies, so I don’t think it’s related to the font, but I’ll try another. I wanted larger and more readable.
Ah, she knows who signs her paycheck…
Yep. Comment nesting is broken.
Looks like it’s fixed?
Nearly always works for me, but just as consistently not so for certain others. I wonder if it’s the browser being used?
I try not to plug them too often, but I get my anti-virus &etc programs from Avast, and with it comes their free secure web browser (which I believe is mostly like Chrome without all the extraneous crap Google bloats it up with). I have to say the browser works flawlessly. I never have incompatible page issues, and I haven SEEN a popup in 10 years! …I honestly thought they’d gone out of style until I read other folks comments on webcomic pages, complaining about excessive popups and banner ads that are so large they block the comic, or loudly play videos (I don’t see much of those either). Clearly they’re still a problem… just not MY problem. ^_^
…Now if only Avast’s VPN was clever enough to convince Netflix to let me watch US-only programs. That’s arguably why I subscribed to it in the first place. Bit disappointing that. 🙁
[Ie Yamof Ool]
I thought it referred to an omnipotent being from Star Trek who moonlights as an omnipotent being from My Little Pony, so I guess we both learned something.
I like “QUILTBAG” – QUeer/QUestioning, Intersex, Lesbian, Transgender, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay. Though it’s not an incredibly popular variant, and still ignores Pansexuals and non-Trans/Queer gender variations.
Just Karen:- still better than the Alphabet that is being used right now 😛
LGBTQ+
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
Queer and/or Questioning
+ Asexuals, Pansexuals, etc…
Used to be an A in there, but from what I was led to believe, heteronormative allosexuals kept saying it meant allies and not asexuals, plus the fact that if we added a letter for everything on the spectrum, it would get rather unwieldy…so someone decided to lump the rest together under the + sign. Could be wrong though. Ask a hundred different people about it and you’ll probably get a hundred different responses.
I just call it ‘alphabet soup’ because they keep adding letters. What organs you like against yours has no real bearing on life, and its stupid seeing both the people so against it, as well as the idiots going out of their way to shove it down everyone’s throat.
I never even knew what gay or lesbian meant until I was 15, and I grew up my whole childhood with both ‘Aunt Pearl and Stacy’, and ‘Uncle Bobby and Aunt Doug’ (blame Mrs. Doubtfire for that, btw).
Acrynom’s should be arraigned so as to make a word, so ‘QUILTBAG’ works, plus it covers everything that doesn’t fit (just tell them to look inside the bag and find a letter 😀 )